Friday, July 17, 2009

Dershowitz responds to Melanie Phillips

In this Blog posting from The Jerusalem Post DOUBLE STANDARD WATCH Blog, Thursday, July 9, 2009, Alan M. Dershowitz responds to criticism of his support for Obama by Melanie Phillips (refer to our previous posting here). Isi Leibler has also weighed in to this discussion - I'll post his article on JIW very shortly).

So, first here is Alan Dershowitz:

Melanie Phillips has written a critique of me because I remain a Democrat and continue to support President Barack Obama, despite his recent statements regarding expansion of Israeli settlements and other matters relating to the Middle East conflict....

...Phillips, for all her good work in Great Britain on behalf of Israel, has absolutely no understanding of American politics. She would turn Israel into a wedge issue, in which Republicans were seen as the supporters of Israel and Democrats as its enemy. This is precisely what has happened, with disastrous results, throughout much of Europe. In most European countries, the left-wing political parties are anti-Israel, often virulently so. The right-wing political parties are generally more supportive of Israel, though not nearly as supportive as they should be in many instances. Because young people tend to be more liberal than their elders, support for Israel throughout Europe, has also become a generational wedge issue, with younger people opposing Israel far more than older people.

This is precisely the situation American supporters of Israel want to avoid. We do not want to replicate the horrible situation that currently exists in Phillips' Great Britain. We want Israel to remain a bipartisan issue and an issue that does not divide generations. During the Bush administration, Republican support for Israel - which they linked to their failed Iraq policy - alienated many younger and more liberal voters who despised Bush, Cheney and their policies.

Among the reasons that I supported Obama, having first supported Hillary Clinton, is because I believed, and continue to believe, that a young, extremely popular African American President who supports Israel, even if he disagrees with its policies regarding settlement expansion, would be far more influential with mainstream Americans and with people throughout the world than an old conservative republican, who also supported Israel. That is why I gave, and continued to give, President Barack Obama the benefit of the doubt in his dealings with Israel. I take him at his word that he seeks to bring about peace, by means of a two state solution pursuant to which all the Arab states recognize Israel's right to thrive as a Jewish democracy, while agreeing that any Palestinian state must be demilitarized and incapable of waging war or terrorist attacks against Israel.

I also take him at his word when he says that the United States will not accept a nuclear-armed Iran, and I believe that he has a better chance of achieving that goal through diplomacy - including sanctions if necessary - than would a tough talking and non-negotiating Republican administration.

I believe that although a military attack on Iran could have disastrous and far reaching consequences, a nuclear armed Iran would have far graver consequences. I do not know whether the Obama administration would, as a last resort, use military force to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons. Nor do I know whether a Republican administration would have engaged in military action against Iran, especially in light of its failed war in Iraq. Neither do I know whether the Obama administration would try to prevent Israel from defending its civilians against an Iranian nuclear bomb by preventively attacking its nuclear facilities, as Israel did to Iraq in 1981. In a recent statement Vice President Biden strongly suggested that he believes that Israel should have the right to take military action to protect its citizens, if all other options fail. I believe that Dennis Ross holds similar views. The Bush administration, on the other hand, refused to supply Israel with weapons necessary to implement a strike against Iran's nuclear facilities, and according to press reports, it was reluctant to give Israel the green light to attack on its own.

No one knows precisely what any administration would do under varying and unpredictable scenarios. As I have previously written, I would strongly oppose a United States policy of learning to live with an Iranian nuclear bomb, regardless of which administration supported such a dangerous approach.

Recall that it was the Bush administration that for the first time announced its support for a Palestinian state - a position with which I agree, so long as it is completely demilitarized and incapable of aggression against Israel. Recall as well that it was the Bush administration that insisted on a freeze on Israel settlements in the West Bank - a position with which I also agree, subject to humanitarian and pragmatic considerations. (This should come as no surprise to anyone who has read my writings, since I have opposed Israel's civilian settlement policy since 1973. You can strongly support Israel's right to defend itself without supporting its settlement policy.)

Let me say as well that there were parts of President Obama's Cairo speech with which I disagreed, but there have also been parts of Republican speeches with which I have disagreed. I judge administrations by their actions more than by their words, though I wish President Obama had chosen some of his words more carefully.

The major difference between Melanie Phillips and me is that I want Jews to remain Democrats - if they support, as I do, liberal principles such as a women's right to choose abortion, the rights of gays and lesbians to equal justice, and other progressive policies. I also strongly support the separation of church and state, a constitutional principle that has allowed American Jews to be first class citizens and to reach greater heights in this wonderful country than they ever have achieved in Europe or anywhere else in the world except for Israel. Republicans, in general, seek to lower the wall of separation which would endanger the status of Jews in this country.

I also want Jews who disagree with my liberal politics to remain Republicans, if they choose, and to exercise influence within the Republican Party. I want all supporters of Israel, whether they are Democrats or Republicans to pressure their party and their government to protect Israel's security and defend its right to continue to thrive as a Jewish democracy.

It was clear to all perceptive Americans that Obama was going to win this past election in a landslide victory. The vast majority of Jews were on the winning side, and that is good for Israel. Recall the Republican Secretary of State James Baker's infamous remark: "F...the Jews. They don't vote for us anyway." Recall as well that among Israel's most virulent opponents are right wingers such as Pat Buchanan and Robert Novak.

Let me conclude by saying that because American Jews voted Democrat by and large and because the Democrats won, we have far more influence with this administration than we would if the majority of American Jews followed Melanie Phillips advice and voted Republican. When it comes to American politics, it is she who truly "doesn't get it." She should not be trying to influence the voting patterns of American Jews. We have done quite well, thank you, in maintaining widespread American support for Israel, because we understand the dynamics of the American political system.

Instead, she should be trying to change the terrible situation in Great Britain, where support for Israel has never been lower - in part because support for Israel has become a liberal versus conservative wedge issue. I wish there were more liberal supporters of Israel in Great Britain as there are among liberal political figures in the United States. So please stop lecturing us from your perch in Great Britain on who to vote for in the United States. We apparently "get it" over here a lot better than you do over there! The reality is we each have our problems and they must be addressed somewhat differently in different places.

So I will continue to give President Obama the benefit of the doubt, but if he does anything to weaken Israel's security, I will do everything in my power to change his attitude and to use whatever influence we have in Congress and among the public to make sure that American never weakens its commitment to Israel's security. That is my line in the sand - not the settlements.

5 comments:

Steve Lieblich said...

I've received a comment from someone using the (pen?)name Mack Dwight, which refers to some correspondence between Alan Dershowitz and Noam Chomsky (see http://sites.google.com/site/joechucksupp/1973-chomsky-dershowitz-exchange-in-boston-globe).

I've decided not to publish that comment because it defames an individual, but the correspondence is there for readers to review and judge for themselves.

I invite "Mack Dwight" to contact me via the link on this web site, or to continue to comment, provided he doesn't defame, vilify or incite hatred.

Steve Lieblich said...

"Mack Dwight" has left a new comment on this post. Once again I've decided not to publish that comment because
1. it defames an individual
2. while the post is one of three covering a debate about Obama's policy in the Arab-Israel conflict, the "Mack-Dwight" comments are an opportunistic attack on one of the three "debaters" ...apparently part of a long running animosity between "Mack Dwight" and his target.

Here are some excerpts from the comment so you can see what I mean [my own comments are in square brackets]:

QUOTE
I am submitting this as a comment rather than contacting you personally, so that you have the option of publishing this on the Web site after reading this, if you so please.

I submitted the earlier comment as Mack Dwight (a pseudonym) and I also maintain the (very small) Web site that I linked to under [another pseudonym for Mack Dwight]. I have a substantial online presence where I use my real name, and where I don't talk about these issues at all; I use pseudonyms elsewhere because I like to keep these two worlds separate.

I am interested in the Arab-Israeli conflict and quite familiar with [defamed individual]'s writings on the topic. I agree that the comment I posted was purely ad hominem. The reason was to give people one unambiguous instance (and I could give many more) where [defamed individual] lies about the factual record...

My object is to persuade readers that they need to take whatever [defamed individual]says on the Arab-Israeli conflict with a grain of salt.

[defamed individual] has gone so far in his attempt to whitewash the crimes of the state of Israel as to lie under oath. For documentation, see [a reference to over 5 chapters of a book by Norman Finkelstein] and further references to online commentary by [another pseudonym for Mack Dwight].
UNQUOTE

Note the following:

1 The "(very small) website" to which Mack Dwight refers is simply an online parking spot for more detailed defamation of his target.

2 "...one unambiguous instance (and I could give many more)..." Where have I heard that underhanded debating artifice before?

3 "whitewash the crimes of the state of Israel" is "obviously" a statement that needs no explanation at all in the "Mack Dwight" universe.

4 the use of Norman Finkelstein as a reference. I quote Deborah Passner, CAMERA, Oct 10 2005: "Anti-Zionists and anti-Semites often reference Finkelstein's books despite the fact that they are marred by factual inaccuracies, omissions and selective mention of fact. Much of his work is seemingly shaped by his antagonism toward the Jewish establishment and his avowed anti-Zionism. Thus, he routinely accuses pro-Israel writers of being "frauds" and "plagiarists," and labels their work "hoaxes." (see http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=8&x_nameinnews=169&x_article=985 for the full article entitled "Norman Finkelstein's Fraudulent Scholarship")

4 "I have a substantial online presence where I use my real name ...I use pseudonyms elsewhere because I like to keep these two worlds separate." How coy.

My guess is that "Mack Dwight" is someone who (regardless of which pen name he is using at the time)chronically distorts data and plays fast and loose with source material ...

What else have you "got" in your barrow "Mack Dwight"?

Mack Dwight said...

I have no problem with you quoting anybody's judgment of Norman Finkelstein or "people who cite him." But if you're going to do that, at least don't censor the actual references I'm giving and let people decide for themselves. If it's just a lot of nonsense, I'm sure your readers have enough discernment to dismiss it as such.

Steve Lieblich said...

Dear "Mack Dwight"

Bearing in mind that JIW is "designed to help busy people stay up-to-date", I don't think anyone is going to read 5 chapters of a Finkelstein book to assess the merits of your cavalier assertion, which are, in any case, irrelevant to the topic of the posted article: Obama's policy in the Arab-Israel dispute.

Steve Lieblich said...

See http://jiw.blogspot.com/2009/07/american-jewish-democrats-stand-up.html for Isi Liebler's follow-up to this crucial debate...